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[Suzsmokeyallan]

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[crash277]

i dont agree with it, i dont put corn gas in any of my vehicles. if its not going to be cheaper why should i? i use more of it. cost me about 6-8$ extra/ tank of gas burning that corn. if its not good enough for my bikes, its not good enough for my car. dont get me wrong im all for saving some oil for my grand kids, but it needs to be done in such a way that we dont run out of landfill space cause of blow motors and scrapped cars.

[tz375]

The EPA has approved its use for new vehicle only and not at all for older cars or any motorcycles.

How exactly do they think that it will be distributed? E15 for all low grade gas and all the others are E10 or zero ethanol? The gas companies aren't wild about adding alcohol to their fuel either. It will be interesting for sure.

[two-stroke-brit]

there must be a way to find the gas stations/brand that serve 100% gas.
i was looking at ethanol-free gas stations or pure-gas.org,
but there are none in houston or dallas on the list.
so i will try and find out if there are any at all.

[elbert]

Go to Germany, there you can get 102 octane on Aral stations and 100 octane on Shell, not that I have noticed anything different when using it on my two strokes. As far as I know it is no ethanol in it either.

[Coyote]

Can still get real gasoline here in Tulsa. Several stations selling it. Generally $.20 - $.25 per gallon higher than the corn diluted fuel.
Anybody notice gasoline doesn't even remotely smell like it did when we were kids? Not even the 'real' stuff. Must be some BS in there too. If this is what it's coming to. why don't they design engines that burn pure ethanol?
There is no way that the world is running out of oil. But it is true we are running out of Alys that will supply the US.

[Joiseygirl]

Can still get real gasoline here in Tulsa. Several stations selling it. Generally $.20 - $.25 per gallon higher than the corn diluted fuel.
Anybody notice gasoline doesn't even remotely smell like it did when we were kids? Not even the 'real' stuff. Must be some BS in there too. If this is what it's coming to. why don't they design engines that burn pure ethanol?
There is no way that the world is running out of oil. But it is true we are running out of Alys that will supply the US.

You're so right, gas doesn't smell like it used to when I was kid, I hadn't noticed till you mentioned it.

[johnakay]

You're so right, gas doesn't smell like it used to when I was kid, I hadn't noticed till you mentioned it. [/quote]


mmm are you a sniffer joisey girl

[Joiseygirl]

You're so right, gas doesn't smell like it used to when I was kid, I hadn't noticed till you mentioned it.

mmm are you a sniffer joisey girl [/quote]

Aren't we all at sometime?

[MonkeyWrenchCycles]

A couple things that arent publicized about ethanol is that EVERY PART of a fuel system has to be designed for it. I had a noticeable increase in motorcycles in my shop for fuel related problems (ie. disentigrated fuel lines, etc) a little time after ethanol hit the gas stations. You can technically use the 10% stuff in any vehicle but fuel lines, and any gaskets that fuel comes in contact with (ie petcocks gaskets, fuel injection diaphrams, etc) that arent designed for use with ethanol gasolines will wear out quicker. Thats why all older vehicles specifically state not to use ethanol gasoline.

Ethanol also costs more to produce and is driving the corn prices up so the switch to a higher ethanol content will inherently cause gas prices to go up even more in the near future.

The last point is that ethanol will give you less mpg than gasoline depending on the vehicle as much as 30% less.

There is also debate as to whether ,through the manufacture of ethanol, it actually lowers greenhouse gases at all.

So you pay more for it, it wears parts quicker, gives you less mpg, but supposedly saves the enviroment. Take your pick, but i would rather stick with 100% gasoline

[Cliff]

I'm the original owner of my GT550L and I can tell you that there is a difference in fuels. I've fueled up at every brand of gas from the Atlantic to the Pacific and back since 1974! She doesn't like to drink ethanol at all! In Ontario Shell Premium has no ethanol and the bike runs great. I went down to Deal's Gap this summer, and after the first fill up across the border into the USA, I had to retard the timing to stop the pinging! As for fuel mileage, at home on the highway at 70-75 mph I can usually get about 120 miles before reserve. In the USA, at 70-75 mph on the interstates I was on reserve every 100 miles.
Nope, the only corn I want to see is on my plate with butter, salt and pepper!!
Cliff!

[markj]

A couple things that arent publicized about ethanol is that EVERY PART of a fuel system has to be designed for it. I had a noticeable increase in motorcycles in my shop for fuel related problems (ie. disentigrated fuel lines, etc) a little time after ethanol hit the gas stations. You can technically use the 10% stuff in any vehicle but fuel lines, and any gaskets that fuel comes in contact with (ie petcocks gaskets, fuel injection diaphrams, etc) that arent designed for use with ethanol gasolines will wear out quicker. Thats why all older vehicles specifically state not to use ethanol gasoline.

Ethanol also costs more to produce and is driving the corn prices up so the switch to a higher ethanol content will inherently cause gas prices to go up even more in the near future.

The last point is that ethanol will give you less mpg than gasoline depending on the vehicle as much as 30% less.

There is also debate as to whether ,through the manufacture of ethanol, it actually lowers greenhouse gases at all.

So you pay more for it, it wears parts quicker, gives you less mpg, but supposedly saves the enviroment. Take your pick, but i would rather stick with 100% gasoline

Also there is debate saying that the additional machines used to create the extra ethanol that gets added to petrol fuel offsets any enviornmental savings. I have heard that there is big money in ethanol and that is influencing a lot of this stuff. These days you really shouldn't store fuel in your bike, car, boat etc. If you store for any length of time. I've gone through more floats, jets, etc. because the stuff just eats away at everything. It really aggrivates me that they don't seem to get the big picture.

[H2RICK]

It really aggrivates me that they don't seem to get the big picture.

Let's be realistic here, gents. First of all, as posted by coyote, the whole thing is political with a capital P. We are NOT running out of oil, no matter what the "Chicken Littles" would have you believe.
The whole ethanol thing is driven by politics only......to keep the big US corporate farm owners happy.....and nothing else. When you look at the whole ethanol cycle from corn seed in the ground all the way to the dispenser nozzle in your filler neck it's easy to see that it makes ZERO sense in any direction......economically, environmentally or any other way......and is actually counter-productive.
This is another one of those schemes beloved of the "Save The Planet" folks who want "something done".....even if it makes no sense whatsoever. Governments go along with the whole thing because they are being lobbied by both the corporate farmers AND the tree huggers, both groups being VERY accomplished at the lobbying game.
A side "benefit" of the whole scam (for the tree huggers, at least) is that MOST older vehicles, unable to cope with the chemical ravages of ethanol-doped fuel, will be forced onto the scrap heap because it becomes uneconomical for their owners to upgrade their various sytems to handle ethanol-doped fuels. A further "benefit" is that those older vehicles will have to be replaced by a new/newer vehicle, something the auto manufacturers are wholly in favour of.
Meanwhile, the rest of us that want to keep our older vehicles on the road suffer various mechanical problems in order to "Save The Planet" and struggle along trying to swim upstream against an ever-increasing tide of politically-driven BS.
Am I being too cynical and/or pessimistic here ?? I wouldn't bet on it.....

[jkevinlilly]

Ditto Rick.

Kevin