What causes the kick starter to drop out while kicking

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What causes the kick starter to drop out while kicking

Post by hahahaurugly »

I'm rebuilding my gt380 and may as well tackle this problem also. So what should I look for to be an issue or wear point that would occasionally cause the kicker to come free while kicking??? This is a kick only bike so reliability of the kicker is a big deal.
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Re: What causes the kick starter to drop out while kicking

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There is a dowel pin on the shaft within the cases that keeps it aligned. I had this problem with my 550 and found that by tapping it on the end it worked ok. Then i discovered that under the clutch cover on the end of the kickstart shaft was a missing thrust washer which holds it in when the clutch cover is on.
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Re: What causes the kick starter to drop out while kicking

Post by pearljam724 »

Can also be caused by bad cylinder compression. Due to worn rings or cylinders caused by insufficient oil or worn due to high mileage since last top end rebuild. Due a compression test. Takes 10 minutes. If a motor has good compression, it should be harder to kick.
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Re: What causes the kick starter to drop out while kicking

Post by yeadon_m »

+1 on the thrust washer. Easily lost, because commonly it remains stuck to the inside of the clutch cover during dismantling. If its missing, the cogs move rightward just a mm or two and it disengages and the kick shaft can hang down...
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Re: What causes the kick starter to drop out while kicking

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Would that washer be the #4? It doesn't hang down it just occasionally looses grip while kicking. The motor is getting a new top end so I can compare the compression soon but the old one had 125psi across all three.
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Re: What causes the kick starter to drop out while kicking

Post by GTandcbr »

No the washer we are talking about isn't on that diagram. It fits over the end of the kickstart shaft and a ridge prevents the washer going more than about an inch down the shaft. Then when you fit the outer cover it keeps the shaft pushed in.My apologies i have checked and that washer i was referring to was NOT fitted to your bike but only to the GT185 and GT550 but i can tell you the symptoms were the same so i would look to see if there is any lateral movement it only needs to be a few mm and it will miss the pinion
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Re: What causes the kick starter to drop out while kicking

Post by johnu »

My GT500 does exactly the same thing, sorry I don't have an answer to the problem though :(
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Re: What causes the kick starter to drop out while kicking

Post by rider »

GT500 could be a worn kickstart pawl. Full strip to replace a 50cent part. Don't know about the 380 though.
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