Water cooled 500
Moderators: oldjapanesebikes, H2RICK, diamondj, Suzsmokeyallan
- greasemonkey
- On the street
- Posts: 49
- Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:46 am
- Country: Belgium
- Suzuki 2-Strokes: Gt500
- Location: Belgium
Re: Water cooled 500
that cheetah would be the sh*t but would also hurt my wallet (and a lot more)
anybody knows how much clearance is the minimum between the crank and the stuffer? gonna try to make some this weekend.
anybody knows how much clearance is the minimum between the crank and the stuffer? gonna try to make some this weekend.
-
- Yeah Man, the Interstate
- Posts: 554
- Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:47 pm
- Location: NM USA
- Contact:
Re: Water cooled 500
Stuffers are very old school....greasemonkey wrote:that cheetah would be the sh*t but would also hurt my wallet (and a lot more)
anybody knows how much clearance is the minimum between the crank and the stuffer? gonna try to make some this weekend.


Visiting from the "K" camp...........
- Suzukidave
- Moto GP
- Posts: 3980
- Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:55 pm
- Country: US
- Suzuki 2-Strokes: GT750 x2 97 -1200 Bandit 86 GSXR1100
- Location: Lancaster Pa.
Re: Water cooled 500
http://www.mattoonmachine.com/Billet_Cases.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
the older i get the faster i was
- greasemonkey
- On the street
- Posts: 49
- Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:46 am
- Country: Belgium
- Suzuki 2-Strokes: Gt500
- Location: Belgium
Re: Water cooled 500
I'm using the stuffers for my street bike, stock everything!
those casings make me feel all warm and fuzzy
those casings make me feel all warm and fuzzy
- greasemonkey
- On the street
- Posts: 49
- Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:46 am
- Country: Belgium
- Suzuki 2-Strokes: Gt500
- Location: Belgium
Re: Water cooled 500


could it be I have put the wrong crank in the case? it's a GT crank.
http://www.ozebook.com/compendium/t500_ ... mage33.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
it's this kind of stuffer I was talking about.
I was looking to follow all of this steps carefully to see where it gets me.

-
- Yeah Man, the Interstate
- Posts: 554
- Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:47 pm
- Location: NM USA
- Contact:
Re: Water cooled 500
I know where it gets you!greasemonkey wrote:![]()
I do have almost 2mm clearance between the crank and the case.
could it be I have put the wrong crank in the case? it's a GT crank.
http://www.ozebook.com/compendium/t500_ ... mage33.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
it's this kind of stuffer I was talking about.
I was looking to follow all of this steps carefully to see where it gets me.
I remember that article from many years ago (70's) They did a lot of mods, special chambers, and it was as fast as a stock Kawi 500........

Visiting from the "K" camp...........
- Suzukidave
- Moto GP
- Posts: 3980
- Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:55 pm
- Country: US
- Suzuki 2-Strokes: GT750 x2 97 -1200 Bandit 86 GSXR1100
- Location: Lancaster Pa.
Re: Water cooled 500
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeVrDGL ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
the older i get the faster i was
- greasemonkey
- On the street
- Posts: 49
- Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:46 am
- Country: Belgium
- Suzuki 2-Strokes: Gt500
- Location: Belgium
Re: Water cooled 500

I'm building this bike to ride along with the old farts from my neighborhood so i just wanted it to be a bit nippier.
If you guys think it wouldn't make much I'll just drop that idee.
I think I wil just rase my exhaust ports a bit and clean things up inside.
thanks guys
-
- Yeah Man, the Interstate
- Posts: 554
- Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:47 pm
- Location: NM USA
- Contact:
Re: Water cooled 500
Throw in a mm and widen it some. Good pipes are the best bet.....greasemonkey wrote:I think I need to measure things up again.
I'm building this bike to ride along with the old farts from my neighborhood so i just wanted it to be a bit nippier.
If you guys think it wouldn't make much I'll just drop that idee.
I think I wil just rase my exhaust ports a bit and clean things up inside.
thanks guys
Visiting from the "K" camp...........
- greasemonkey
- On the street
- Posts: 49
- Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:46 am
- Country: Belgium
- Suzuki 2-Strokes: Gt500
- Location: Belgium
Re: Water cooled 500
thanks for the advice guys!
but back to the thread: LC 500's
didn't find any 250cc's that fit yet, seems that 2X125cc cylinders would be easy to adapt but then you would only have ~250cc (duh).
2X 200cc would be acceptable though.
the quest continues

but back to the thread: LC 500's
didn't find any 250cc's that fit yet, seems that 2X125cc cylinders would be easy to adapt but then you would only have ~250cc (duh).
2X 200cc would be acceptable though.

the quest continues

- greasemonkey
- On the street
- Posts: 49
- Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:46 am
- Country: Belgium
- Suzuki 2-Strokes: Gt500
- Location: Belgium
Re: Water cooled 500

angry mob?
-
- Road race school
- Posts: 785
- Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:00 pm
- Location: Wharton, NJ USA
Re: Water cooled 500
Hey Pedro,PEDRO wrote:
I am still looking for the loan of a TR500 mk3 top end and water pump with a view to reproduction.
.
How far would just the Mk 3 cylinders get you?
Jim
-
- Road race school
- Posts: 785
- Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:00 pm
- Location: Wharton, NJ USA
Re: Water cooled 500
Hey Pedro,PEDRO wrote:Hi Jim
To be honest I don't know Jim, clearly we could progress barrels with a pattern maker, but would have to question is it worth it without the the head and pump castings, I take it we are discussing your barrels, lmaothat would be ironic as if you remember it was me you beat on ebay for them.
I know a couple more people to approach who may have either complete top end or seperate parts, would you be willing to loan Jim, or do you want to pm to discuss??
It is never going to be a overnight or couple of weeks project though Jim!
My ambition before I pop my clogs is to have available both TR500 mk3 and Bimota SB1 replicas
cheers jim
I was thinking seriously of loaning them to you. I have been searching for a set of heads for these since I got them without any success. I figure rather than have them sit there, I might get closer to being able to use them by loaning them to you. If you sort out a head to suit them after you pattern the barrels, maybe you'll make me a deal on a head. And if I'm really lucky, maybe one day you'll sell me a replica SB1 on a low interest payment plan!

By all means pursue the other leads you have for the top end parts and if you decide you want to borrow my cylinders, let me know.
Jim
- tz375
- Moto GP
- Posts: 6210
- Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:47 am
- Location: Illinois
Re: Water cooled 500
Pete,
The barrels are fairly complex with those boost ports, but the head is pretty simple. You could come up with a model for the head external shape and copy a Banshee type deign for the inside and use replaceable inserts.
According to my notes the head casting number is 1111 XR05 25, chamber is non squish with 1.1mm sunk chamber which is 12.5mm deep and the plugs was set into a slight recess. And don't ask me why I didn't take better notes or pictures when I had one in my back yard many years ago. My job was to make it run so it could be sold by the owner who had bought it with fresh body paint
and a motor that had not run in ages.
I fitted new tires, chain etc and got it ready to run. Fortunately for me, I never could get it to fire up. If it had I would have really embarrassed myself.
The barrels are fairly complex with those boost ports, but the head is pretty simple. You could come up with a model for the head external shape and copy a Banshee type deign for the inside and use replaceable inserts.
According to my notes the head casting number is 1111 XR05 25, chamber is non squish with 1.1mm sunk chamber which is 12.5mm deep and the plugs was set into a slight recess. And don't ask me why I didn't take better notes or pictures when I had one in my back yard many years ago. My job was to make it run so it could be sold by the owner who had bought it with fresh body paint
and a motor that had not run in ages.
I fitted new tires, chain etc and got it ready to run. Fortunately for me, I never could get it to fire up. If it had I would have really embarrassed myself.
-
- Road race school
- Posts: 785
- Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:00 pm
- Location: Wharton, NJ USA
Re: Water cooled 500
Steve???? Nope definitely Jim....PEDRO wrote:Hi Jim (steve??)
Thanks for the offer its appreciated and may well end up taking you up on it, I hunt a bit more if you don't mind whilst we have a little think. hopefully I will achieve my ambition but people do think I am quite mad
You don't have to be mad to mess about with antiquated motorbikes..... but it helps!

Jim