Ah the joy of the written word, where we agree but the OP thinks we disagree and vice versa.
Funnily enough I also use that Cross Point term. I'm not sure where I picked it up. Maybe it's an old term or maybe we use it cover Posi drive, Phillips and any other design regardless of the angle of the cross points. Maybe Allan has an idea of the derivation of the term.
Terminology is different across the world, some manufacturers refer to screw drivers as flat head and cross head while others refer to them as flat bit and philips head.
I've also come across the screw driver heads being referred to as plus head and minus head, taken obviously from the mathematical symbols regarding the shape.
Another example is most people in North America call tools wrenches while in the UK they are referred to as spanners.
It all depends on the terminology you settle on by personal choice.
In the US its parking lot, in Canada its a parkade and in the UK its a car park, which one would you use, again it depends on where you live.
Good answer, and I should have looked at Wiki which lists many different cross head designs. Looks like the Phillips caught on in the US and others did so in Europe and Japan.
So that means that Phillips is simply the most common form of the generic crosshead screw in use in the US, but not the rest of the world and most motorcycles seem to use JIS at least for a while.
Its interesting that the US has Canada as its neighbour and they have used Robertson screws for nearly approx 100 years, yet they never caught on in the US until recently.
Looking at Wikipedia for the screw drives its amazing just how many variations there are closely related to the cross head design.
The nipples I bought for the front wheel have a slot but it is fairly shallow. I had to shorten all the front spokes by 3mm. So much for being made to suit. Curiously the rear wheel nipples were supplied with cross recess type heads.
Fritz500.....just curious as to what make of spokes and nipples you are using in your wheels??? I have yet to build my wheels and have purchased NOS Suzuki spokes for the rear, the front's are unavailable. After reading this post, I got curious about the new nipples from Suzuki, the attached pic shows the head pattern, some kind of cross head which does not accept my genuine JIS Phillips screwdriver nor will it take a regular Phillips. Are there so called cross head recessed bits out there?
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Bloop2,
After much fluffing about I bought a chrome spoke and nipple set off eBay. Supposedly made in Japan. The quality seems OK. I originally tried to get original T500 front and rear sets but only the rears were available. A front set did come up on eBay some time after I bought them but I never was able to determine if they were genuine. I don't really care. Not building this bike to satisfy the "rivet counters".
Bloop2 wrote:Fritz500.....just curious as to what make of spokes and nipples you are using in your wheels??? I have yet to build my wheels and have purchased NOS Suzuki spokes for the rear, the front's are unavailable. After reading this post, I got curious about the new nipples from Suzuki, the attached pic shows the head pattern, some kind of cross head which does not accept my genuine JIS Phillips screwdriver nor will it take a regular Phillips. Are there so called cross head recessed bits out there?
I know Autozone sells a large assortment of off the wall and unordinary type cross head ( to satisfy Allan, he he ) bits that aren't commonly used every day. Price is around 15 bucks. Very likely that something in that kit can be used. I own the kit. But, can't verify that one would work as I'm waiting for my spokes to arrive.
Make sure you 'set' the nipples after you've dialed in the wheel the first time.
Take an appropriate flat round punch and crisply hammer every nipple into the rim.
One shot will do it.
Retrue the wheel after (because it will definitely not be true) and you're all set.
If you don't, you'll find that you need to redo all your hard work over in the near future.
STEVE
So what if it was short.......I still had a great time!
