wiring for suzuki t500
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wiring for suzuki t500
hey guys everything is coming along for the build...but I really want to eliminate as many wires as possible...I took the headlight off and realized it was a junction. Do any of these wires have anything to do with the ignition/coils? I really want to get rid of pretty much everything and have some toggles...
any ideas or help?
thanks
zac
any ideas or help?
thanks
zac
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Zac , check out this site ... here there are loads of 500 info http://www.ozebook.com/compendium/t500index.htm
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Hey zr,
I'll admit my confusion now - what are you trying to do by eliminating part or all of the wiring harness? Are you setting up the bike for racing? Or just looking to clean things up? Here's a link to a color wiring diagram:
http://home1.stofanet.dk/optik/suzuki/t500eldiagb.htm
I guess you'll need to figure out what you need and what you don't need and go from there?
Jim
I'll admit my confusion now - what are you trying to do by eliminating part or all of the wiring harness? Are you setting up the bike for racing? Or just looking to clean things up? Here's a link to a color wiring diagram:
http://home1.stofanet.dk/optik/suzuki/t500eldiagb.htm
I guess you'll need to figure out what you need and what you don't need and go from there?
Jim
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In which case, step away from the motorcycle and no one will get hurt.
You cannot wire it the way you suggested. Start from scratch and wire it with a kill switch as required by all race organization rules. Get a set of rules and then follow the wiring diagram carefully and compare it to your bike (for the ignition circuits).
Try to draw out the part of it that you need, or start with a clean sheet of paper and just draw what you think you need.
Is it a T with points or a GT with magneto and CDI box?
This stuff is not rocket science and is far simpler and working on a modern bike. No pressure or temperature sensors, no tps, etc etc. It's really basic stuff.
Do you have a handbook or access to one online? if so check out the part on Ignition.
You cannot wire it the way you suggested. Start from scratch and wire it with a kill switch as required by all race organization rules. Get a set of rules and then follow the wiring diagram carefully and compare it to your bike (for the ignition circuits).
Try to draw out the part of it that you need, or start with a clean sheet of paper and just draw what you think you need.
Is it a T with points or a GT with magneto and CDI box?
This stuff is not rocket science and is far simpler and working on a modern bike. No pressure or temperature sensors, no tps, etc etc. It's really basic stuff.
Do you have a handbook or access to one online? if so check out the part on Ignition.
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Hey Zac,
As TZ said, you'll need to decide what ignition you want to run to better determine what wiring you'll need. I know Muzza has a section on race prep on his website but I don't recall if he covers wiring or not:
http://www.ozebook.com/compendium/t500index.htm
My race bike is based on a GT500 and it uses the PEI ignition system that Suzuki added to the GT500 in 1976. Since the PEI is pretty much a separate circuit, it's easy to remove all the street related stuff you don't need.
For a T500 based racer, a self-generating magneto type system would be better as you can pull the whole harness and run without a battery. Trouble is, there not a lot of options for this type of system on the market currently. Rex Caunt offers a complete system for the T500:
http://www.rexcauntracing.com/pages/pro ... icing.html
but it's a but pricey at £484.83 ($793.34 US currently).
There's these guys in the UK as well but they don't list any prices:
http://www.roadandraceignitions.co.uk/14.html
And then there's these guys selling a racing system for just under $400:
http://www.powerdynamo.biz/eng/systems/ ... 85main.htm
I have heard of people adapting PVL systems to the T500. The Yamaha Banshee 350 would work although you'd have to figure out how to adapt the rotor to the T500 crank and figure the correct timing. I've seen complete PVLs for the Banshee sell as low as $99 on Ebay... These guys offer a PVL for the T20 that could be adapted:
http://www.pentonracingproducts.com/application.htm
Otherwise if you're going to use the stock points, coils, etc. you'll need to keep a battery in the set-up (although you could run with a small gel battery hidden under the racing seat) and you'll have to decide if you're going pull the rotor and gut the stator and run total loss or not.... Either way you would probably be better off building a new harness rather than trying to use parts of the exisiting harness.
Jim
As TZ said, you'll need to decide what ignition you want to run to better determine what wiring you'll need. I know Muzza has a section on race prep on his website but I don't recall if he covers wiring or not:
http://www.ozebook.com/compendium/t500index.htm
My race bike is based on a GT500 and it uses the PEI ignition system that Suzuki added to the GT500 in 1976. Since the PEI is pretty much a separate circuit, it's easy to remove all the street related stuff you don't need.
For a T500 based racer, a self-generating magneto type system would be better as you can pull the whole harness and run without a battery. Trouble is, there not a lot of options for this type of system on the market currently. Rex Caunt offers a complete system for the T500:
http://www.rexcauntracing.com/pages/pro ... icing.html
but it's a but pricey at £484.83 ($793.34 US currently).
There's these guys in the UK as well but they don't list any prices:
http://www.roadandraceignitions.co.uk/14.html
And then there's these guys selling a racing system for just under $400:
http://www.powerdynamo.biz/eng/systems/ ... 85main.htm
I have heard of people adapting PVL systems to the T500. The Yamaha Banshee 350 would work although you'd have to figure out how to adapt the rotor to the T500 crank and figure the correct timing. I've seen complete PVLs for the Banshee sell as low as $99 on Ebay... These guys offer a PVL for the T20 that could be adapted:
http://www.pentonracingproducts.com/application.htm
Otherwise if you're going to use the stock points, coils, etc. you'll need to keep a battery in the set-up (although you could run with a small gel battery hidden under the racing seat) and you'll have to decide if you're going pull the rotor and gut the stator and run total loss or not.... Either way you would probably be better off building a new harness rather than trying to use parts of the exisiting harness.
Jim
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Also check out
http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/stator-k ... 537-0.html
All those listed by Jim and the one above are self generating units which work for all intents and purposes like an old school magneto. That is teh best system to use IMHO.
Next alternative is to adapt an electronic trigger such as a DYNA system from say a Suzuki 1000 4 cylinder. It has two pickups and one or two magnets (I can't remember) which.
If it has two magnets 180 degrees apart, use one trigger/pickup and one double ended coil plus a small battery.
If it has ONE magnet use BOTH triggers and TWO coils.
Throw away 100% of the stock wiring and build a new loom using a new cut out. For drag racing you have to use a lanyard I believe, so get one from Pingel
http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/stator-k ... 537-0.html
All those listed by Jim and the one above are self generating units which work for all intents and purposes like an old school magneto. That is teh best system to use IMHO.
Next alternative is to adapt an electronic trigger such as a DYNA system from say a Suzuki 1000 4 cylinder. It has two pickups and one or two magnets (I can't remember) which.
If it has two magnets 180 degrees apart, use one trigger/pickup and one double ended coil plus a small battery.
If it has ONE magnet use BOTH triggers and TWO coils.
Throw away 100% of the stock wiring and build a new loom using a new cut out. For drag racing you have to use a lanyard I believe, so get one from Pingel