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GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:25 am
by daxman
Hi All

Well I've patched up the loom (no regulator yeT) , and started to fit a temporary (?) 7" replacement headlight (purists look away now) on some new brackets. I foolishly failed to take any pictures of the loom routing however. The main part is still on the bike but I'm wondering if anyone has a picture of the arrangement in and around the headlight.

Cheers

Re: GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:08 pm
by ConnerVT
In most headlight buckets, it typically looks like this:

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Re: GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:51 pm
by Vintageman
ConnerVT :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Also, how do you post pics here? Is that really a link to some other hosting web site


Daxman,

I think you are asking how to connect the various wires from cables that join in the head light bucket (couple main harness, Instrument lights, left and right hand controls etc.).

I just put a T350 back together without pics (lost them) and it hand been a while. 98.4 % is just just match up wire colors colors. Also wiring diagram helps... to figure what couple remain

If you get stuck I could pull my (76 GT250 and 74 GT250) headlight out and takes pics... bike in storage packed like a sardine, but maybe this weekend....

I am not sure how to post pics (question above). Ever since Photobucket changed I haven't found another free solution. Maybe I just need to pay $

Re: GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:04 pm
by ConnerVT
Just a picture stolen, errr, hot linked from another site.

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Re: GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:11 am
by dollydog
vintageman, try this. dead easy to use and free. i use nothing else :)
cheers, dd.
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Re: GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:23 am
by jabcb
The wiring diagram is here. Later GT250s have a voltage regulators while the early ones do not.
download/file.php?id=826

Re: GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:46 am
by daxman
Vintageman wrote: Daxman,

I think you are asking how to connect the various wires from cables that join in the head light bucket (couple main harness, Instrument lights, left and right hand controls etc.).

I just put a T350 back together without pics (lost them) and it hand been a while. 98.4 % is just just match up wire colors colors. Also wiring diagram helps... to figure what couple remain

If you get stuck I could pull my (76 GT250 and 74 GT250) headlight out and takes pics... bike in storage packed like a sardine, but maybe this weekend....
Yes just that. I can match all the connections no problem using wiring diagram. Trying to figure out the 'physical arrangement' e.g. are all the multi-way connections made inside the bowl, does the secondary loom sit entirely inside the bowl etc. using an aftermarket lamp is not ideal as I think there's less room. :roll:

Re: GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:57 pm
by Vintageman
jabcb wrote:Trying to figure out the 'physical arrangement' e.g. are all the multi-way connections made inside the bowl,
Just give it a go. Trust me it is all color coded. And, without bucket in the way you can see clearly. For example, let's say you see 4 solid orange wires total with single male connectors each. You may see two solid orange wires each with a double female socket... start mating up colors code via male and female connectors and let me if any left over. Make sure they plug in with a nice click... you may have to reshape the female connector if too loose.

Dollydog... I'll give your suggestion a go next time. Thanks

Re: GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:45 am
by dollydog
dax, to answer a couple of your questions. yes, all the multi connectors sit in side the headlamp bowl. so does the secondary loom - i presume you mean the headlamp loom? short piec about a foot long with loads of wires and multi connectors on it? getting all the wiring back in the headlamp bowl, even on a standard gt is a pain, bloody awkward and bloody frustrating when you think you've done it, try everything and one side of the indicators don't work, because you pulled a wire out while trying to cram it all in that little space. been there, done it, several times. try it with a h4 headlamp conversion - it's far, far worse :D i use those bendable, plastic coated, steel things to hold my wiring in. they sit on the inside of the earth wire bolts and hold the wiring secure while you get the front rim on.
cheers, dd.

Re: GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:25 pm
by Vintageman
What I am assuming or saying is the headlamp bucket is simply a junction box for all the harnesses that head its way be it it from frame harnesses, left and right handle controls, Instrument panel, etc. They enter the bucket via couple holes in it all connectors join there. Tight but enough room. The wires are all color codes and connectors unique as needed.

Altogether may look daunting like ConnerVT pic exaggerates, but meant for general labors to assemble. Sure once you done a few it must be very easy.

On the GT250 the head lamp itself I think has just three wires going to a unique connector with a unique mate you need to find and click the together. Always check condition of connectors just in case corrosion which they are usually gold plated, but still worth a look see.


When you get to turn signals it may be just black wire on each and you need to look at wiring diagram to see what color wire form other harness is left or right or just take a 50 50 chance .. if wrong swap. I leave these last

The wiring diagram may also be helpful to know what color is frame/ground (for usually more than one) but again all color coded with clear mating connectors so really don't need to be an electrical engineer

I am a bit smug (or biased in understanding your question) here for I had same fear as explained on my 1970 T350, lost pics, and had no choice but to go for it. Also, all my wires and harnesses were very good and never hacked up.

I'll read response more carefully. I can take pics tomorrow I hope.

Re: GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:46 am
by dollydog
hi vm, i think you'll find that 3 pin connector is a 4 pin - should have red/grey/orange and brown wires to and from it. it goes to the ignition switch. red is power in from the battery, orange is power out from the ignition switch to all the ancilliarys needing power. the grey and brown are part of the lighting circuit. dead easy way to remember the indicator wiring colours. g[r]een is right indicators and b[l]ack is left. all earth wires are black with white stripe. there is a 3 pin connector in the heeadlamp, but it's for the headlamp bulb. yellow for main beam, white for dip beam and black/white is earth. the yellow wire is sometimes a double and the extra wire goes to the high beam idiot light. thankfully suzuki usually kept the wire colours the same, grey is always in the lighting circuit, dark blue is always the neutral light switch, white is the stop light switches, front and rear, etc. i love wiring :D
cheers, dd.

Re: GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:10 pm
by Vintageman
But you must agree... all is color/connector coded, plug and play, unless it was hacked up.

Re: GT250 - more wiring Q's

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:30 am
by dollydog
But you must agree... all is color/connector coded, plug and play, unless it was hacked up.

absolutely mate. just like building a p.c. if it doesn't fit, it doesn't go there. if it's the wrong colour, it's wrong :D
cheers, dd.