Suzuki 2 Strokes

Hey folks,

So it seems that Suzuki has stopped selling the CCI oil so I wonder what other folks use now and where to readily get it? I'm sure this is like asking what shampoo everyone uses but any tried and true will work for me as I get closer to getting this girl running...

Hi,
I tend to use Silkolene Injector 2 ( 2T ) in my GT380. It's a nice red colour so it's easy to check the oil pump is doing it's job as it's easy to spot any air bubbles in the oil pipes. It also tends to be more friendly on the environment as it coughs out less smoke, or so I'm told !

Hi,personal choice in the end...I've used Castrol TTS Synthetic oil for years now,apparently it's wise to stick to the one oil,as switching brands can cause problems,what sort of problems is anyone's guess
Cheers,
Roger

Silkolene is my choice, but should not be used for break-in, nor should any other synthetic. Buffalo owner Lane uses Walmart outboard motor oil and swears by it. Most any 2 stroke oil made for injection will work. The book says you can even use standard 30W motor oil, but deposits would probably make it undesirable.
I am in break-in on my GT550 (new top end). I am using something I picked up at the auto parts store. It's called MasterPro 2-cycle Sport. Its for us in snowmobiles, personal watercraft and motorcycles.

Well, this post prompted me to do a little research on the oil I just dumped into my tank. I will be siphoning out as soon as I get done typing this. Though not stated on the bottle, this stuff is 25% recycled oil. Yes, second time around. It is also a semi-synthetic oil. I don't know what I'll use, but this ain't it. So I did further research and found out some things I didn't know.
99% of the 2-stroke oil out there is aimed at watercraft. It is EXTREMELY difficult to find ANY 2-stroke injector oil that is NOT at least semi-synthetic. .Synthetics should not be used in the break in period. What the hell do I use then??
I don't know why CCI was discontinued. Maybe it's not any good in Suzuki's latest whiz-bang jet skis and snowmobiles. I have a big bottle of CCI that I drained out of this bike when I got it. I guess I'll use it, although I believe it is a semi-synthetic as well. I don't think it was originally, but eventually evolved to use of synthetics. What to use ?? maybe this?? NO, that's a synthetic too!

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Ooohhh.... This should get interesting.



Truth is, virtually every oil you buy today, 2T or 4T, is at least partially synthetic. Welcome to the 21st century.

I typically choose Silkolene, Bel-Ray, or Maxima 2T injector oils when available, avoid the PWC and snow sled oils when possible, and have limped home with 10W40 crankcase oil in the tank when I've run out 25 miles from home.

Hi,Castrol 2T is mineral oil,not a semi-synthetic,at least not in Australia,I would recommend the use of a mineral oil for running in purposes,the use of synthetic oils which contain "Ester" like Motul 2 stroke oil apparently helps cut down the "blue haze" issue I've never used it...but mates swear by the stuff
Cheers,
Roger

Well, my auto parts store had Castrol 2T, says motorcycle 2-Stroke oil for pre-mix or injector so I figured I couldn't go wrong.
Except I think that my system doesn't work but I'll put that into a different post...

I went to a couple of auto stores with no luck. Then I went to the cycle shop. He had 2 different ones by Bel-Ray and one by Amsoil. All were synthetic laced blends. Donny (shop owner) said he agreed that I should not use synthetic oil for break-in. He also agreed I pretty much had no choice because the non blended stuff doesn't exist anymore. He said he had some at home, but then remembered it was for pre-mix dirt bikes and not an injector oil..
I thought I saw a bottle of CCI a while back that said it was synthetic. However, now I can't find that info. The only CCI oil left is on eBay at really stupid prices
When I bought the bike, the tank was brim full of CCI, plus I had a little left in an old bottle. So THAT is what I am going to use. The stuff these bikes were meant to run on from the beginning. By weight I have about 40 ounces in an old vodka bottle and a couple of ounces in a squirt oil can I used during the build. That should get me far enough along to where I can switch to Silkolene.

I use the Walmart injector oil. Works fine. As long as it's injector oil, it's a matter of personal preference. The other stuff is too expensive for me when the Walmart injector oil works fine. I've read that modern synthetic injector oil can be too thin for a 2 stoke put under a lot of continuous stress. That may be the case. You can judge what oil is good enough by cylinder wear. Assuming your injection system, pump is working properly, carbs are jetted accurately enough, crank seals are good.

I've been, (probably foolishly) spending LOTS of money on spoofy overpriced synthetic oils. (In my RZ Yammies). My mate, Jacko who has been running and working on 2-strokes for over 35 years, whilst working both for major dealers, and freelancing, and who runs a few very desirable, very tasty 2-stroke road bikes, plus various skidoos, etc. reckons it's all a waste of money!

What I'm saying is that he reckons that the basic cheap mineral oils (like Castrol Activ 2T) are absolutely fine for everything. (Maybe if you are racing the thing, where it's going to be pinned to the throttle-stop most of it's life, that may be different). But for 99% of daily working 2-stroke bikes, don't waste your money on expensive 2T oils.

What I'm saying is that he reckons that the basic cheap mineral oils (like Castrol Activ 2T) are absolutely fine for everything. (Maybe if you are racing the thing, where it's going to be pinned to the throttle-stop most of it's life, that may be different). But for 99% of daily working 2-stroke bikes, don't waste your money on expensive 2T oils

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Now that makes sense. The oils of today are far superior to the oils these old bike were weened on. The cheap stuff is probably better for them. I looked at a bottle of Bel-Ray super synthetic wiz-bang oil yesterday. $18 for a liter bottle. Needless to say, that bottle is still on the dealer's shelf.

Yep, semi-synthetic (or synthetic) Wal-Mart or Pennzoil. Never a problem.


Lane

I've been using Castrol 2T injector oil from the local car parts places but I can't find it anymore. Guess it's time to hit up Walmart.

Coyote wrote:

What I'm saying is that he reckons that the basic cheap mineral oils (like Castrol Activ 2T) are absolutely fine for everything. (Maybe if you are racing the thing, where it's going to be pinned to the throttle-stop most of it's life, that may be different). But for 99% of daily working 2-stroke bikes, don't waste your money on expensive 2T oils

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Now that makes sense. The oils of today are far superior to the oils these old bike were weened on. The cheap stuff is probably better for them. I looked at a bottle of Bel-Ray super synthetic wiz-bang oil yesterday. $18 for a liter bottle. Needless to say, that bottle is still on the dealer's shelf.

Exactly. Considering the cheapest of all modern injection oils is light years ahead of that. Paying anything more than that, is insane the way I see it. All modern injection oils today leave minimal carbon deposits and offer plenty of lubrication. Unless, an injection system, pump, crank seals or carbs aren't up to par. All one has to do every several months is take 20 minutes, remove several head bolts. Take a look at piston tops and cylinder walls and see if everything is alright. You can hit both sides of a head gasket with a silicone spray. Remove and reuse it dozens of times doing so and never have to replace it do to it not tearing or sticking.