Is anybody sick and tired of hearing

[Coyote]

the word organic? Organic this and organic that. Say THIS is organic! Have a look!
My wife will only buy cage free organic eggs. It's like chickens that are allowed to roam the highlands lay better eggs. BULLS*IT. When I was a young lad some eons ago, we bought our eggs from a local chicken farm. Yes the chickens were kept in coops. That's back when the eggs were individually candled. Had lots and lots of double yolkers. I haven't seen a double yolker in decades. How bout' you? I'll bet that jughead sees them all the time.
I always thought that organic simply meant grown in the ground. Not so anymore. A sales pitch if I ever saw one. I bought a can of chili beans the other day. Made with organic pinto beans - seasoned with organic garlic powder, organic onion powder and organic chili powder and other organic spices. Say, THIS is organic. Have a look!
On the flip side, we have been buying organic milk. It's about a buck more than the standard milk per half gallon BUT, instead of expiring in a week - this stuff expires in about a month. And yes, it actually stay good that long or longer.

[Arne]

My wife will only buy cage free organic eggs. It's like chickens that are allowed to roam the highlands lay better eggs. BULLS*IT.

We had chickens when I was a kid. They lay better eggs when they're kept in a coop, free range chickens have smaller eggs that taste a bit like whatever they're eating at the moment if I remember correctly.

The chickens were content in the coop, and didn't get eaten nearly as often by the occasional roving fox or dog.

People don't always understand how things really are though....

Of course I'm sure there is the other extreme of having twenty thousand chickens, that's a bit odd too. Everything in moderation, except motorcylces of course.

[Coyote]

OOPS! I meant to put this in General Discusion but I don't know how to move it.

[chainsaw]

another one I am sick and tired of is...........GREEN !!!!!

son of a biscuit eater, if anyone says that to me one more time I will......pull their teeth out

the friggin environmentalists are costing this country billions of dollars in many ways. fees to hunt etc, suing because someone wants to plow a field, saving friggin endangered rodents in komifornia.

I cant wait to get my J&R pipes so my bike will smoke and piss em off.

[markj]

another one I am sick and tired of is...........GREEN !!!!!

son of a biscuit eater, if anyone says that to me one more time I will......pull their teeth out

the friggin environmentalists are costing this country billions of dollars in many ways. fees to hunt etc, suing because someone wants to plow a field, saving friggin endangered rodents in komifornia.

I cant wait to get my J&R pipes so my bike will smoke and piss em off.

Maybe we could figure out a way to put some sort of harmless(to the bike that is) green dye in the mix oil. Then you can tell 'em you've decided to "go green" while you rev the motor spewing green two stroke smoke all over the place...oh yeah!

[debby]

Do a little googling on "factory farming" and do some reading about how the chickens and eggs at your local grocery store are produced. Then let me know what you think about "organic" and "free range".

It's not quite like the chicken coop you remember from your boyhood days back on the farm.

Debby

[Jughead]

Yeap Debby's Telling the Truth.Factory Eggs and Chickens just Aren't right.If everyone knew they probably couldn't sell an Egg or Chicken in the Store.Organic really isn't a Bad Idea.I've kind of gone Organic over the past few years.Not that I'm a Hippie or anything.I's just the way I grew up on the farm and in the Country.Alot of things that I eat are Organic and Always have been.Since my uncle moved back here from Oregon he does everything Organically.It costs less to Produce what comes out of the Garden and everything Grows better.You can do a Whole lot with compost and Epsom Salts without using the Harsh Chemical Fertilizers and Spray.With Sprays most Diseases and Pests are now Immune to it anyway.Being a Tobacco Farmer for Years you wouldn't believe what kind of Chemicals go into the Production of what we consume.I could go into a long Drawn out discussion About Everything that would untimately lead into Government Blame for Just about Everything Wrong but I won't.It just leads down to the Human Race being Guinea Pigs.There is just things out there that I have learned over the years.I may sound Paranoid and Probably am but These days it all falls together.I'm getting prepared too.

Green well In ways that is OK.I can't see driving Around Electric Vehicles BUT I do like the Idea of Beating the Electric Company out of all the Money I can by Installing Light bulbs that use a Fraction of the Power of the regular ones.Being an Electrician it's kind of made me think of ways to conserve more electricity.I'm trying to get the boss to try to talk Customers to go "Greener" that way we get more work to do.Sure it may cost them a little more in the long run but over the life of their House they will save major money.I just have to Order a few things (Hopefully he will cover the costs) to show to customers.If I can get him to go with the Idea while making it worth my while He could be the first "Earth Friendly" electrician in this part of the State.More people are becoming "Green" these days.

Don't get me wrong I have no use for Enviromentalist "Extremists" it's just the way I was Brought up to conserve where I could.I'm not a Tightwad either I just can't see giving something to someone that isn't deserved.

[rngdng]

A buzzword that I'm tired of is "change", but I finally figured out what they mean. (I came up with this on my own.....)(I'm very proud)


The change they've been promising is POCKET-CHANGE! That's what 13 bucks a week is.......







Lane

[Suzsmokeyallan]

I'd have to say the phrase "stimulus package" is wearing very thin these days, technically it sounds more like a cattle prod device to me.

[Barry S.]

I heard more on the "failed Bush policies" during the election than I ever want to again, when an we start talking about the "failing Obama policies.

[johnakay]

oop wrong one silly bugger is me

[H2RICK]

Awww....some of you old farts are showing your age!!!!
Organic is good for you, as Jug says. However, I gotta agree that Madison Avenue is overdoing the whole thing somewhat......like they do with everything they lay their mitts on.....so no surprise there.
As for the whole green thing, I vote with mark and chainsaw. The "science" behind this whole "movement" is suspect at best and downright fraudulent at worst. I'm ending this post before I get too carried away on THIS subject....
Grrrrrr......

[Craig380]

When it comes to my bike, I want SYNTHETIC, thanks very much.

I want REFINED high-octane fuel, that's full of ADDITIVES to stop it going stale and keep the carbs clean.

I want oil that is CONSTRUCTED from base ingredients and MODIFIED for a clean, ash-free burn, for maximum wear resistance and excellent lubrication.

Anyone else remember the old Freak Brothers strip, "Phineas and the Organic Mechanic"? Avocado extract and peanut oil is NOT good for your motor

[jkevinlilly]

Yeah, I'm tired of both organic and green, and I work environmental protection for a living.
The biggest problem with the whole organic/green label stuff (IMHO) is that as far as I know there is not a uniform definition of what they even mean in this country. Let alone in the other countries where a lot of our "fresh" food and other products come from. Without a clear definition that the producers have to meet, even if you buy organic/green, unless you know how it was actually raised, and/or how it was processed, you still don't know what you are getting.
Regarding the factory farms, they are like any other business. They are there to make a profit. Like any other business, the majority will do things the way the law mandates, but there will always be individual ones that run un-ethically, cut corners and do anything that will not put them in jail to increase those profits. Frankly, I think we have a got a pretty good food supply system in place in the US that occasionally has isolated problems.
I grew up where you primairily lived off of food you raised and processed yourself, and although the quality of the food was good, there ain't enough hours in the day to raise enough to live on year round and work a regular job too. Personally, most of the meat my family eats we kill and process ourselves, and we still raise a decent sized garden. But we don't do it to be organic or green, we do it because of the economy of it.

I'll step down off my soap box now. :^):^):^)

And Craig, you can use regular oils and fuels and still be organic. In chemistry organic just means carbon based, and therefore any hydrocarbon qualifies.

Kevin

[spike]

Guys… you are just discovering this stuff…Trust me, them words will become household words and won't grate your ears in a few years' time.

Remember when you heard how much I pay for electricity (28c per KwH)… you become very green and economically-mind at that price! We also recycle just about everything… feels a bit like WW2. We don't have many landfills (thank God!), all unrecyclable garbage gets burned to produce heat and electricity.
All the 50's and 60's landfills have now to be dug out because, despite all the precautions, they leech stuff in the water table and make fish unedible in our rivers… that's only 40-50 years later after a "good idea".

Standard filament lightbulbs are banned from sale from 2009 on… deffo green but also a smart idea IMHO.

All this G-word and R-stuff and O-products started when I was around 7 years old. I just don't notice it anymore.

The O-stuff happened because of the very strict sanitary laws we have… too much strange stuff (like anabolisants and antibiotics) in the US and French beef for example… As an Aussie married to a Brazilian, for us Beef is something that grazes the land & excercises, not something that needs to be treated for illnesses it hasn't yet caught, because it's locked up in a pen and can't move. NB: this does not mean all US beef is bad, far from it!

So all these pen-based methods of raising are banned here.

O-veggies deffo taste better, we're getting now spanish strawberries in the supermarkets… they taste nothing like the wild strawberries of our garden: all watery and huge, probably lamp grown… yeach!

BTW, I never could have put "Jughead" and Hippy" in the same sentence